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I can't believe I just sat through half an hour of the *excruciatingly* annoying Fearne Cotton for that.

Also 1851 was not a boring year. Great Exhibition. IJS.

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violetisblue
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
Are the specials over yet? No, wait, they haven't even started. Drat. Anything "significant" of note?
infinitemonkeys
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:19 pm (UTC)
Absolutely nothing. Implausibly pristine cliche-ridden Victorian Christmas with cute little urchins, Tennant being all joyful and sparkly, David Morrissey winks and nods and declares himself the doctor, calls for the sonic screwdriver and they shout allons-y together for no reason that I could discern since no one was going anywhere.

Can't be worse than VotD which I hated on sight, and (unlike Runaway Bride) still think is cack.
violetisblue
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:24 pm (UTC)
Nothing on God's green Earth could possibly be worse than "Voyage of the Damned"--no, not even RTD trying to be funny--so I guess it can live for now. Though I bet anything the Velile Tshabalala character bites it about ten minutes before the credits roll.
infinitemonkeys
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:32 pm (UTC)
Nothing on God's green Earth could possibly be worse than "Voyage of the Damned"--no, not even RTD trying to be funny

SSSHHHH! DON'T SET THE BASTARD A CHALLENGE! YOU KNOW HE COULD DO IT.

I hope the companion doesn't bite it though. I would be deeply fed up because seriously, no. I can write off previous stupidity to deep cluelessness which needs to be remedied, but if she dies this year I am going to have to think that it's deliberate twattery and that would upset me.
violetisblue
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
"SSSHHHH! DON'T SET THE BASTARD A CHALLENGE! YOU KNOW HE COULD DO IT."

I'm sorry, thanks to my deep crushing despair upon realizing that the Alonzo-allons-y joke is about to make its 785,925th appearance I just don't care anymore. Do with us what you will, Rusty, we're all just a lot of ungrateful "ming-mong" bastards anyway!

"I can write off previous stupidity to deep cluelessness which needs to be remedied, but if she dies this year I am going to have to think that it's deliberate twattery and that would upset me."

I'm just saying, I'm sort of skint right now thanks to holiday spending + tax bills + major car repair expenses, but I would still bet money on this happening.
muridae_x
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:44 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry, thanks to my deep crushing despair upon realizing that the Alonzo-allons-y joke is about to make its 785,925th appearance I just don't care anymore.

It's probably too late to explain to Rusty that jokes that need subtitles are too much work, and if it's too much work it's probably not funny, isn't it?

Oh well, hopefully it's only got a maximum of 5 more outings and Steven Moffat will deep six it.
violetisblue
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:47 pm (UTC)
Remember, if something gets a mild passing chuckle on its first appearance, then repeating it incessantly forever afterwards will make 'em all roll in the aisles.
infinitemonkeys
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:49 pm (UTC)
I just want it to be good so badly.

I don't think Rusty is a bad writer per se, but he's not a great writer of Who, three or so episodes excepted. He's not good at what he thinks he's good at. (And I think he knows it -- why else get all whingey and meanspirited in that book of his?)

I would not take that bet. The thought of what's going to happen makes me teeth-gnashy.
violetisblue
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:58 pm (UTC)
"He's not good at what he thinks he's good at. (And I think he knows it -- why else get all whingey and meanspirited in that book of his?)"

Unfortunately, he's in charge of an entire show that seems designed to highlight what he's not good at, so...yeah. Oh, wait, I forgot that he's apparently the secret guiding hand behind anything else the other writers did that anyone actually liked, how can I say that. /eyeroll
infinitemonkeys
Nov. 14th, 2008 10:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah. Note to Rusty: if you're going to say "I wrote all of the good bits of that" DO NOT pick an episode based on a book which most of fandom adores and which contains most of the good bits.

He's good at small, intimate, familial relationships. He thinks he's good at big epic storytelling. IDIOT

Oh man, I could wank on and on about this for hours. Not going to, obv.
violetisblue
Nov. 14th, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
Actually, having read (and really liked) the book version of HN I appreciated his saying that so I could go, "Oh, so you're the one who made John Smith into a racist asshole and condemned the Family to eternal torture and changed the white poppy to red and had Martha digging herself even deeper into the unrequited hole, I honestly should have known! Sorry, Cornell, as it turns out you're still aces!"

"He's good at small, intimate, familial relationships. He thinks he's good at big epic storytelling. IDIOT."

He's already announced that the last special is going to be Bigger Than Any Big Thing We've Ever Seen, Boy Is It Going To Be A Spectacle Of Big-Action Bigness. There aren't words to encompass my cold, bone-deep dread of what we're going to see.
muridae_x
Nov. 15th, 2008 12:21 am (UTC)
Oh, we are so doomed.

Apart from anything else, it'll be a concluding episode (even if it is a special), and of all the things he's not good at, endings are the very very worst of them.

Knowing my luck it'll have the Daleks and the Cybermen in it as well.
violetisblue
Nov. 15th, 2008 02:46 am (UTC)
Don't forget the obligatory memory retcon and turning back time. I just can't get enough of them building us up to a huge finale and then going, "Er, never mind."
muridae_x
Nov. 15th, 2008 10:47 am (UTC)
Oh yes, how could I forget? I reread Susan Cooper's The Dark Is Rising books quite recently, and mourned for Donna's memory all over again at the end of them. Wonderful books, but the ending that takes away everything is profoundly irritating, even if it does draw a line under the adventures and say "this person's done".

My stated ambition when I was at university was to end up as Doctor Who's script editor. It was somewhat hampered by the cancellation and not actually writing anything, but they should have let me. I'd have used Captain Jack's wrist gizmo to send Martha back a year into the past, and then she could have done her year of self-sufficiency and gathering the faithful in flashback and the finale could have happened mere minutes after her disappearance. Much harder for the Master to prevent, and we wouldn't have had to rewind Earth either.
muridae_x
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
I would be annoyed at my wasted evening, if I hadn't only had The Bear In The Bandana Show on in a small window in the corner of my PC while I smurfed the internet and largely ignored it.

At least I've definitely made up my mind about David Morrissey now. No knowing winks for the genuine Doctor, please.
infinitemonkeys
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:22 pm (UTC)
Good idea. Luckily I only got in from work at 8.35 so I only endured half an hour of the HIDEOUS Fearne.

Seriously, why are my taxes paying this shouty talentless woman a brass farthing? She's like the Poundstretcher Holly Willoughby, who is herself the Argos Cat Deeley.

I have to see more of Morrissey. I hope the artificiality was because he's a conman or, well, I shall be hacked off
muridae_x
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:30 pm (UTC)
I'm hoping for conman too. I think there's a good chance of it, since it sort of fits the RTD double-bluff philosophy. The downside is that you can never absolutely guarantee that, even if that is the outcome of the Christmas Special, they won't pull a Romana #2 on us and just go "Oh, this new body? I saw it quite recently on someone else and decided I'd like to wear it for a while myself."

My fingers were really itching to get in there and dirty up that set and those urchins a little.

Working in the part of West London that I do, I've been tripping over waving and dancing bears and collecting buckets for days. Every single silent one of them has been more talented than Fearne Cotton.
infinitemonkeys
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:35 pm (UTC)
I've had unfortunate intestinal eructations which were more talented than Fearne Cotton.

You're right about the Morrissey double and triple bluff possibilities. I love Morrissey as an actor so I am not entirely anti. But I sort of want someone else.
violetisblue
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:40 pm (UTC)
Am I the only person who loathed his character in Blackpool? Not said as a reflection on his acting talent, he's got it by the truckload, but I just wanted to knee Riley in the groin so many times I could feel my leg twitching as I watched.
muridae_x
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
Oh, he was loathsome in Blackpool. But so gleefully so that you ended up rooting for him anyway, once you'd done rooting for everyone else to get ahead too.
muridae_x
Nov. 14th, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
I loved David Morrissey in Blackpool. But part of that was the ensemble cast - it lost something when they revisited it without Sarah Parish and Tennant - and that's probably a critical factor. I don't just want a new Doctor who feels right from my first gut reaction onwards. I want one who also clicks instantly with whatever companion shares the journey.
infinitemonkeys
Nov. 14th, 2008 10:06 pm (UTC)
Do you have a preference for eleven yet?
muridae_x
Nov. 15th, 2008 12:19 am (UTC)
No. I currently haven't got any further than "I don't want any of the people I've heard suggested so far."

On average I seem to flat out love about one Doctor in two, so I'm trying to be philosophical about it. That is, when I'm not cursing Tennant for not allowing himself to be persuaded to stay on for one more year.
infinitemonkeys
Nov. 15th, 2008 01:46 am (UTC)
I know what you mean. I think they've got themselves a real problem this time. Tennant is the perfect combination of good actor, total fanboy and attractive fellow. Following him is going to be a tough job no matter who they get to do it, and I don't think it's ever going to get the ratings that Journey's End got again because they're not going to be able to match the level of hype over companionpalooza/fake!regeneration. So RTD will always be able to claim that he presided over the high watermark of DW. Which IRKS somehow.
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