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Journey's End

I think that underwhelmed may be understating it. I think my whelm is limbo dancing. My whelm is in a deep mine, polishing its nails and saying "was that it?"


ETA: Confidential: stop using music I like to score things I am pissy about. Turin Brakes are *mine*, for my own personal headpictures, bastards. AND SIGUR ROS. You ****holes.

Spoilers hidden behind grey stuff in comments, if you have the willpower of a small cocktail sausage


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Jul. 5th, 2008 06:50 pm (UTC)
I think my whelm is in the next shaft to your whelm, however it has no nails left to polish because they self-destructed in an heroic effort to keep my small intestine from leaping up and strangling my brain.
Jul. 5th, 2008 07:30 pm (UTC)
Oh, I hated the end so much. Then I hated the Confidential for being blithe. I'll be back, watching the damned show at Christmas. I've got no one but myself to blame.
Jul. 5th, 2008 06:53 pm (UTC)
I personally enjoyed it.
Jul. 5th, 2008 06:55 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'll probably like it better on twentieth second viewing. There were things to like but I am just mightily irked by one or two big things and that made me want to chuck a brick at the telly
Jul. 5th, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC)
And what were the two things that induced this hooliganesque behaviour?
Jul. 5th, 2008 07:32 pm (UTC)
To be unspoily, the thing on the beach and the way they left Donna.
Jul. 6th, 2008 02:00 pm (UTC)
Ah. Entirely and completely understandable.
Jul. 10th, 2008 04:50 am (UTC)

Just finished. The rest was all handwavy dramaticness but Donna! And the bullshit on the beach, which peeved me for at least two reasons. I think. Maybe more.
Jul. 5th, 2008 06:55 pm (UTC)
Well, DAMN.

Still waiting for a torrent so I can read spoilage.
Jul. 5th, 2008 07:06 pm (UTC)
I'll maybe like it better on second viewing I expect. Some things just IRKED me. IN CAPS

Edited at 2008-07-05 07:12 pm (UTC)
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Jul. 5th, 2008 07:05 pm (UTC)

You called the blue suit/brown suit/Rose thing right but not the mechanism of it. The regeneration energy went into the hand and when Donna touched it, it used her energy to regenerate into a half-human doctor. Therefore threefold "man". Donna got timelordery in the transfer and she saves the day.

Dalek Caan turns out to be a traitor. Osterhagen key was cooler than you predicted, there was no giant reset except for Donna.

Half-human warlike doctor commits genocide again by killing the daleks, and an angry doctor leaves him in Rose's universe, at Bad Wolf Bay. HHD says he loves her.

Timelord Donna is burning up (in a badly written scene TBH) and her brain is all kerblooey (well, that's about as scientific as it gets) and he wipes her mind and takes her home. She wakes up as Donna but with no trace of memory of the doctor or the Tardis.

In a scene I actually liked, Doctor tells Wilf and Sylvia that they can never tell her she saved the universe. Sylvia says "of course she did, she's my daughter" Doctor says, angrily, "Then try telling her that" or words to that effect.

He leaves. I fire up scrivener and start writing fixit fic like a piqued teenager.

I think I'll like it better on second viewing. Maybe. Stupid bloody show. I've liked you for thirty years and you keep pissing me off.

Edited at 2008-07-05 07:06 pm (UTC)
Jul. 5th, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)
Well, shit.

Please tell me it wasn't at least at the level of embarrassment as the Tinkerbell!Doctor.

*goes back to refreshing torrent sites*
Jul. 5th, 2008 07:28 pm (UTC)
Oh god no! Nothing that bad. In my opinion, infinite might have a differing view though.
Jul. 5th, 2008 07:29 pm (UTC)
It's not an embarrassment at all, it's much better than LotTL. It's just got two things that I HATED. HATED. HATED. Did I mention I hated them?

Jul. 5th, 2008 07:34 pm (UTC)
Whew. That's a small consolation. LotTL seriously made me consider quitting the show altogether for a while. Now, I'm mighty curious about those two things you hated! Ack. Must not spoil self. Damn the stupid torrent for not being up already.
Jul. 7th, 2008 04:02 am (UTC)
See, while LotTL did have Fairy Flying Doctor, at least it didn't completely screw over and sell out that year's companion. I can get past the fairy dust for that, at least; Martha walks out on her own two awesome feet.

JE.... ARGH.
Jul. 5th, 2008 07:43 pm (UTC)
My whelm never expects that much out of a thirteenth episode, because it's learned that dear old Rusty can't write endings that don't threaten the structural integrity of the glass on my TV screen. It also knows to keep savoury food on hand to counteract all that sugar. Or to throw at the screen. One or the other.

On that basis, it came out rather better than I feared it might. There were lots of little moments I liked, and there was slightly more plot than last week, though you still had to squint and try not to notice that the Bad Skience was... well, pretty dreadful really.

There was one moment of utter disbelief near the end at RTD's bullish determination to have his cake and eat it, and I still wish he hadn't gone there, but I am now working on obliterating it from my mind. Sadly, I could probably do with the Doctor's help on that.
Jul. 6th, 2008 08:55 am (UTC)
Bad Skience was Bad. It always is. I think they hope that if they go VERY VERY FAST, we won't notice.

Why do I love this show? It pisses me off every July for the past three years.
Jul. 6th, 2008 12:08 pm (UTC)
I love this show because I can't ever remember a time when I wasn't watching it. My earliest memories of it are of seeing the Yeti bumbling around in the underground, and the earliest stories I remember the plot for (from seeing them live, rather than watching on video/DVD in later years) are Jon Pertwee's second season, where the Master was introduced. It is my favourite show ever ever ever, and while I was still a bit dubious whether I counted it as the same show during the Christopher Eccleston season, I've come to embrace it fully since.

The season enders do tend to be a bit of a let-down, it's true, although that's one of the things that I'm hoping that Steven Moffat may be able to improve upon. But I've seen The Krotons, The Horns of Nimon and The Twin Dilemma. I know the depths to which the show can plummet, and somehow it always seems to be able to pull itself back up and find another gem of a story afterwards.

Admittedly there aren't too many opportunities for gems between now and 2010. :-(
Jul. 6th, 2008 12:22 pm (UTC)
I know, I know. I had the piss taken out of me at school for liking it back in the deepest, darkest 80s (when paradoxically, the show was just getting good again) I have seen Timelash. I voluntarily sought out The Krotons.

It still pisses me off every July. *g*
Jul. 6th, 2008 12:48 pm (UTC)
Oh, my, how did I forget to mention Timelash? Fortunately by the late 80s I had discovered other not-quite-closet Who fans and was buying old episodes under the counter at comic marts.

Those final two Sylvester McCoy seasons promised so much for the future. I still haven't forgiven Jonathan Powell and Michael Grade, even now that we have a new show.
Jul. 6th, 2008 12:05 am (UTC)
God help Donna if she gets a cold.

Mrs Noble: Oh for god's sake why don't you just go to the doc---
Wilf: NOoooooooooooooooooooo!
Jul. 6th, 2008 01:01 am (UTC)
Heh. And her head goes Ker-blam.

The more you think about it, the less sense it will make. This is RTD's gift when it comes to Doctor Who. I would like him to go write other stuff now, so I can like him again.
Jul. 6th, 2008 08:27 am (UTC)
temaris made a good point in that simply because Donna hasn't got her memories doesn't change the fact that she was biologically altered. She's still the Doctor-Donna, but without any of the memories that would give it context. Can you imagine what she's going to do now? My vote? That she dreams of things, things that gradually shape her back towards who she was with the Doctor, and sleepwalking she builds a copy of the machine in the TARDIS that took the Doctor and made him into simple human John Smith and then took him back to Gallifreyan. Let's have Donna literally become a Time Lord, eh?

Actually, I think RTD has no idea what a Time Lord is (since one doesn't have to be from Gallifrey to be one, for instance) and one of their rites of passage according to last season's finale was to look into the Time Vortex. Kind of like, um, let's see... Rose? (Who then went on to build a dimensional cannon, a time machine for Donna, and for whom a dead or dying TARDIS held momentary flickers of life). Rose and Donna as Time Lords. That would've been the way forward for me.

Or maybe not. I... sort of lost the plot a bit. LOL. Last year I thought about what I would have done with the finale, but this year I'm not sure I'd know. I seem to be stuck in a Time Lord resurrection loop, LOL.
Jul. 6th, 2008 09:02 am (UTC)
I would have loved that in lots of ways. It's not as though they have to come back to the show itself just because they're transformed; they can still live in the imaginary universe held by the viewers. Instead we've got RTD's ridiculous fetishisation of the "one ordinary girl saves the universe" without any growth or change for that person afterwards.

But yes, Donna is changed, she's got a souped up brain and and she's not the sort who would let missing memories lie. Well, she might for a while, just like she didn't travel with the doctor for a while, then she would find out.

fourteenlines had a good post about how what happened to River changed the Doctor and Donna and vice versa.

Nope. Still pissed off at all that sound and fury signifying nothing
Jul. 6th, 2008 12:22 am (UTC)
See, I knew you would be underwhelmed! This is why I didn't look at your post while I was waiting for my interminable download. I wanted to remain excited. I thought it was awesome.
Jul. 6th, 2008 12:58 am (UTC)
Man, I think my biases are showing a bit too much *g*

I'd have been all right with it, I think, except for Donna's story. It broke my heart a bit.
Jul. 6th, 2008 01:02 am (UTC)
I totally agree. It was so awesome up until that. All that was incredibly sad and awful, but, you know, the episode just wasn't angsty and tragic enough until then.
Jul. 6th, 2008 09:03 am (UTC)
I don't mind when the bad science is bad and everything is powered by upsidaisium, but I do mind when they saddle Rose with a damaged veteran and order her to love him and take care of him, and they do that to Donna.
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